Can someone explain to me why guns have become a legislative focus, when a single and very well identified segment of society has been identified as responsible for the "gun crime" problem?

Are you some type of racist TAO ?

the text of your post seems to suggest, you believed one race is the problem

FYI, the chart you posted shows the rate of Victims by race, victims

Can someone explain to me why guns have become a legislative focus, when a single and very well identified segment of society has been identified as responsible for the "gun crime" problem?

Are you some type of racist TAO ?

the text of your post seems to suggest, you believed one race is the problem

FYI, the chart you posted shows the rate of Victims by race, victims

Tao Wrote:

Can someone explain to me why guns have become a legislative focus, when a single and very well identified segment of society has been identified as responsible for the "gun crime" problem?

Wow, pulling the PC race card already.

Anyway, yes, the truth isn't pretty, but it is the truth. One race, and one gender, are the problem, and are the basic reason we in the US are seen as having a 'gun crime' problem.

If young black males weren't inflating the statistics to the degree that they are, would gun control have been such a legislative priority in the 80s and 90s?

If you'll step outside of your easily offended PC bubble for a moment, you'll see that my question was actually more about the social and legislative implications of one segment of society killing itself off at an astonishing rate, than any one race itself.

If you'd like, I'll rephrase my question:

Why are we focusing on guns, when we obviously do not have a gun problem? To wit, why are we not focusing on the complex social problems causing the guns to be used?

Attempting to take away guns is like attempting to take away alcohol from an alcoholic. Unless the root cause is dealt with, the symptoms will keep coming back in some way shape or form.

MIB Wrote:

Are you some type of racist TAO ?

the text of your post seems to suggest, you believed one race is the problem

FYI, the chart you posted shows the rate of Victims by race, victims

Tao Wrote:

Can someone explain to me why guns have become a legislative focus, when a single and very well identified segment of society has been identified as responsible for the "gun crime" problem?

Wow, pulling the PC race card already.

Anyway, yes, the truth isn't pretty, but it is the truth. One race, and one gender, are the problem, and are the basic reason we in the US are seen as having a 'gun crime' problem.

If young black males weren't inflating the statistics to the degree that they are, would gun control have been such a legislative priority in the 80s and 90s?

If you'll step outside of your easily offended PC bubble for a moment, you'll see that my question was actually more about the social and legislative implications of one segment of society killing itself off at an astonishing rate, than any one race itself.

If you'd like, I'll rephrase my question:

Why are we focusing on guns, when we obviously do not have a gun problem? To wit, why are we not focusing on the complex social problems causing the guns to be used?

Attempting to take away guns is like attempting to take away alcohol from an alcoholic. Unless the root cause is dealt with, the symptoms will keep coming back in some way shape or form.

So its a victims fault for gun violence against them?

Thanks genius.

You're a freaking idiot, too dumb to see what stupidity you posted .

I'll give you a day or two to re-read what you posted,
although I don't believe you'll understand what you typed still

This post was last modified: 06-01-2008 04:48 PM by MIB.

Tao Wrote:

MIB Wrote:

Are you some type of racist TAO ?

the text of your post seems to suggest, you believed one race is the problem

FYI, the chart you posted shows the rate of Victims by race, victims

Tao Wrote:

Can someone explain to me why guns have become a legislative focus, when a single and very well identified segment of society has been identified as responsible for the "gun crime" problem?

Wow, pulling the PC race card already.

Anyway, yes, the truth isn't pretty, but it is the truth. One race, and one gender, are the problem, and are the basic reason we in the US are seen as having a 'gun crime' problem.

If young black males weren't inflating the statistics to the degree that they are, would gun control have been such a legislative priority in the 80s and 90s?

If you'll step outside of your easily offended PC bubble for a moment, you'll see that my question was actually more about the social and legislative implications of one segment of society killing itself off at an astonishing rate, than any one race itself.

If you'd like, I'll rephrase my question:

Why are we focusing on guns, when we obviously do not have a gun problem? To wit, why are we not focusing on the complex social problems causing the guns to be used?

Attempting to take away guns is like attempting to take away alcohol from an alcoholic. Unless the root cause is dealt with, the symptoms will keep coming back in some way shape or form.

So its a victims fault for gun violence against them?

Thanks genius.

You're a freaking idiot, too dumb to see what stupidity you posted .

I'll give you a day or two to re-read what you posted,
although I don't believe you'll understand what you typed still

How cute, personal attacks.

Look, this post was largely rhetorical for me anyway, and only posted to try and generate some active discussion in this fledgling forum.

The ideas in my post have been hashed out in several places, and are only disputed by those who are willfully ignorant or intellectually dishonest.

Because MIB has decided to end constructive discussion in this thread, here are some examples and further discussion dealing with this issue:

http://community.livejournal.com/guncont...03#t890703

http://community.livejournal.com/guncont...80189.html

http://community.livejournal.com/guncont...88655.html

http://community.livejournal.com/guncont...89327.html

Using your logic

Women have the highest percentage of being raped
So lets get rid of the women, they are the problem

Boys have the highest percentage of being sexually molested by Catholic priests
The problem is the boys

Right ?

Your post and your reference shows you are a racist ass

And you have the audacity to complain about personal attack ? you attacked one race because your dumb ass is too stupid to see what the statistic was referring to.

While his chart isn't as straight forward, I pose that this one is.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses...le_03.html

It shows the 39% of the murder offenders in the US are black.

Only 13% or so of the population in this country falls into that ethnic group. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...os/us.html

The majority of the murders in this country occur in densely populated urban areas that more likely than not have strict gun control.

He is right in that we're looking at a societal and cultural problem. Blaming an inanimate object is irrational.

Aico has it nailed.

I live near Memphis Tennessee. Memphis has one of the highest murder rates per capita in the nation. But, by and large the overwhelming majority of the murders are committed by black males in the 18 to 30 year old range. And just to make it worse, the overwhelming majority of the victims are of the same race, gender and age range as the offenders. Those same offenders commit these murders primarily over drugs. Does stating that fact mean that I am saying all young black males are drug dealers or abusers? No, it does not.

Pointing this out does not make me or anyone else who simply states empirical data "racist". I am continually amazed how you can no longer discuss any subject that casts blacks in anything other than glowing terms without immediately being branded a racist. That type of stupidity is far more common that true racism in America now.

Aico,

Well researched! Thanks. We're near Boston, and they are much more anti-gun than the rest of Massachusetts. They've taken to the "We're going to go door to door and ask them if we can search their house for guns in their kids rooms." Um, no... Anyone who lets them come in and search for guns is a stupid idiot and I hope they get busted for something else for giving up their rights.

Brady's Campaign

I believe it's in washington dc the police are going gestapo by setting up roadblocks in neighborhoods and if you don't live there or have any business there you can't enter the street,when the AG the highest LEO in the city asked how he felt about the legality of doing it his reply was along the lines of screw the legalitys and whether it's constitutional or not.Talk about a city out of control when the police department feels that they are above the law and can do whatever they want,that's scary,but they are trying to start a trend by disarming citizens there is nobody to try to stop them anybody knows to take control of a city state or country you must take away the peoples ability to resist thereby leaving them defenseless